Proposed Soccer Stadium in Oakley

  • 11/21/2017 7:12 PM
    Message # 5596971

    In considering the proposed Soccer Stadium in Oakley, site design details (especially related to connectivity) must be thoroughly evaluated to determine the degree to which the stadium should be either integrated with, or isolated from, Oakley’s NBD and residential areas. That is:

    • Will the site be designed as a suburban “island" stadium with quick ingress and egress from the parking garage and expressway?  
      • If so, this investment will likely fail to produce benefits for Oakley’s NBD and fail as a catalyst for the vicinity; or
    • Will the site be designed as an urban interconnected feature of Oakley and its NBD (with pedestrian and vehicular access to the neighborhood and NBD)?
      • If so, this investment (unless carefully designed) can have tremendous adverse affects on the adjacent single family neighborhood.

    Until these important connectivity concepts are identified, evaluated, and refined, endorsements of this stadium proposal seem uninformed, premature, and capricious.

  • 11/22/2017 11:36 AM
    Reply # 5598553 on 5596971

    I fail to see any flaws in the points that Ron made in his comment.  If anyone sees flaws, please share, so that we can all become better informed on this topic.

  • 11/22/2017 3:18 PM
    Reply # 5598800 on 5596971

    and, BTW...

    For our riverfront stadia, city and county wisely invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in design consultants to ensure appropriate connectivity and neighborhood compatibility.  The FC Cincinnati Stadium and vicinity plan also requires such appropriate oversight and control including professional urban design consultant evaluation and refinement. 

  • 11/27/2017 12:16 PM
    Reply # 5603026 on 5596971

    Thank you OCC trustees for identifying findings and reasons related to OCC’s decision on the financing plan for the soccer stadium. Previous OCC decisions, explained only by a vote tally, have been perplexing and dissentious for our neighborhood. Providing explanation of votes is a significant improvement in creating an effective decision process; but also need public process improvements for balancing public and private interests and related transparency.

    Community council meetings are often attended by less than one percent of neighborhood residents—same for social media discussions related to community council issues. Consequently, councils need to consider decision processes that respond to questions related to fairness and public interest – such as:

    • Are the community council's meetings dominated by special interests, or the few who had time to attend, or the few who attend every meeting, or the few who dominate social media? 
    • Is it fair for the community council to base monthly decisions on the comments of a modicum of participants? 
    • Is the community council's search for public interest impossible, ingenuous, or biased when based on the few who are present, or loudest, or most influential?  
    • Is the community council cognizant of the incremental and cumulative effect of pseudo or dysfunctional “community engagement” that easily undermines the broader public interest? 

    The community council and the neighborhood would benefit greatly from an effective method to identify and achieve the public interest and an innovative meeting structure and decision process for consistently balancing public and private interests. 

    Thank you for attempting to represent the neighborhood; I know it’s mostly a thankless task.

  • 11/27/2017 5:51 PM
    Reply # 5603443 on 5596971

    Jeff Berding/FCC “clarified” that the Council/Finance Committee vote today is only to decide if Cincinnati wants to be an MLS city or not--period.  He said all he’s asking for today [to prove that Cincinnati wants to be an MLS city] is approval of a funding plan for public infrastructure to take to the MLS--and after that all the public funding sources approved today as well as the site location or neighborhood can change.

    The bad news--a lot can change.

    The good news--a lot can change.

    [“There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns- the ones we don't know we don't know.” ― Donald Rumsfeld]

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